I regret backing the Skystiker. It's been a year since it shipped and has now aged into the community. And, I should never have bought it. At the time, I thought that several of the figures from the set were going to be $100+ on the secondary market. That didn't happen. In fact, many of the figures are stupidly cheap. So cheap that many people who speculated in the set have stopped selling the figures because some were selling for below the retail cost of Pulse era retro figures. As such, the $500 I spent to get two of the Skystriker sets would have been far better spent buying up the figures I wanted on the aftermarket. Sometimes, you make a bad decision, even though it's based on the best information available at the time. But, the real regret over the Skystriker is that the figures are just piss-poor quality. Which is a damn shame because a figure like Fail Safe should have been one of the better releases we've seen in the entirety of the 2000's.
When I say piss poor quality, I'm specifically speaking to the materials used on the figures. I do think that all of the Skystriker figures were designed well. The team took absolutely no chances on them. Which means that the figures are all solid. But, there's also nothing that really stands out. Each figure kind of feels like he's been released before in some way. But, in a line that loves its repaints and homages, that's what collectors tend to buy. The main issue is that the plastic used is very soft. You can definitely tell that Hasbro never really intended for collectors to actually open the figures. This indicates a massive lack of understanding of the 3 3/4" collecting community. We've never been a carded first group like Star Wars and Marvel collectors tend to be. We are openers first with a 2nd carded version being the exception rather than the norm.
And, that's why the poor plastic bothers me so much. I actually want to use these figures in photos and dioramas. I'd love to have them displayed around the collection. But, they just aren't quite up to snuff. I'm afraid of paint loss just from using the accessories. And, some of the gear is so poor that you can't even get it onto the figure without risking breakage. I have no use for figures that I can't use. I've never felt that Joes were worthy of an artistic display when they were still in their packaging. Really, I kept cardbacks because I was too lazy to cut out the filecards that I did want to keep. I never felt the card artwork was anything other than a sometimes reference point for subtle nuances of the toy mold.
One of the most damning indictments of the Skystriker is that you simply don't see it in photos...anywhere. While the Instagram G.I. Joe community is much smaller these days than it was even just in the late 2010's, it's still large enough to spot trends and see which toys have caught on with collectors. And, the actual Skystriker hasn't. Really, the only part of the Skystriker that's caught on with collectors is the Cobra Ramp Rat. (You also see the Mickey Mouse Cobra Commander from time to time.) You never see dioramas with the actual plane. And, with about the same number of Skystikers out there as here were 2000's era Toys R Us exclusives, you should see the planes appear in the online content that is still created. But, to be fair, I never even put my planes together. I checked the parts, pulled out the figures to open, segregated the missile loading vehicles and haven't even bothered to look at the airplane pieces in the year since I buried them in a basement closet in February of 2023.
The one success of Fail Safe is the head. Hasbro utterly failed to produce nice heads in the 2000's. They were too big, too small or just didn't fit the body on which they were placed. It's really surprising how consistently bad the new heads were between 1998 and 2010. But, Fail Safe's is OK. It's heavily based on Ripcord's head. And, that's probably why it works. They just used a solid design, made some tweaks and called it good. But, that made it a success. This figure looks like he could have been released in 1984. And, that's about the highest compliment you can give to newly sculpted pieces on retro Joes.
It, of course, fails because the head is painted. Painted heads suck. They look terrible, scuff easily and generally make the face just look flat and fuzzy. And, since Fail Safe has a very nice helmet, putting the helmet on and taking it off is likely to wear down his face paint over the next few years. Hasbro will simply not give up on painted faces, even when they are comically bad like the Baroness and Zarana. The only upside to Fail Safe's helmet is that it's made of absurdly flimsy plastic. So, it's less likely to scrape the paint away when you want to actually put it onto the figure's head.
The rest of Fail Safe is pretty nicely blended. The flight vest is well detailed. It's reminiscent of the 1992 Ace body...only if it had been sculpted a decade earlier. The best part of the figure's torso, though, is that it features some solid paint applications. It features blue, silver, black and two shades of green. The colors blend well together. Fail Safe isn't going to draw much attention to himself with his coloring. But, the muted tones suit the figure's specialty as well as any other color combo. I'm worried about paint chipping on the soft plastic. Until then, though, Fail Safe is a nice match for many early Joe vehicles, including more traditional flying machines like the Dragonfly.
One of the great nuances of the Joe line is that there is a definitive color palette split between the vintage Joes of 1982-1994 and the repaint era and later figures that have come since. Two main differences are that the later colors are flatter and less vibrant. Even if you look at 1982 releases, the colors are powerful and eye-catching. In 1997 and later, there were some really nice colors. But, they had a flatter finish that mutes them. So, even sets of figures that feature a rainbow of colors still tend to blend together. The designers of vintage Joes have often spoken about how the appearance of the entire line on a retail shelf was of huge importance to them. They, specifically, chose colors that complemented and accentuated each other to create a pleasing visual experience for the customer. In the post vintage Joe world, though, the figures are more designed to look similar than they are to be part of an overall tapestry.
This has lead to a schism in the two lines. It's tough to mingle vintage and post-vintage Joe figures because the base approach to color was so different. There are some figures that do look good together. But, the combos are a lot harder to find than if you mingle Joes from 1983 and 1993 together. The Pulse releases also skew towards the post vintage color approach. While Fail Safe features a wonderful hue of green, it is also rather flat in finish. So, he looks great with 1997 and later figures. Bu, when posed among 1984 figures, he tends to stand out as an oddball. I'm certain that the softer plastic that been used on the post-1994 releases is part of the difference in appearance. But, I also think that some of it is purposeful choice. Hasbro was lead to believe that collectors wanted "gritty, realistic" colors...even though that was never the aesthetic of the vintage line. But, Hasbro went with it and the glossy finish that made the vintage figures so eye-catching was tossed aside.
Fail Safe included just two accessories. One was a newly sculpted pistol that really doesn't work. They should have resculpted the 1986 Hawk pistol or the 1987 Chuckles pistol for the figure. But, the new weapon features a handle that's too large and that makes it look incredibly awkward when placed in the figure's hands. The other piece of gear is a redone 1983 Airborne helmet. It's really nice. It is so nice that it works way better on the contemporary Night Force Ripcord figure. The green matches Ripcord's hue and breaks up the figure's appearance when he has the green helmet instead of his included black version. I'd have liked an air mask with the figure as it makes no sense that the Skystriker's main pilot would require a pressurized flight suit but his battery mate wouldn't even need an additional oxygen supply. But, a Ripcord airmask works on the figure. It's just disappointing that a premium release didn't include a better complement of accessories.
In handling the Pulse era figures, it's pretty obvious that it's a softer, cheaper grade of plastic than vintage. It's very similar to the plastic used between 2000 and 2007. And, that's going to be a problem. The figures from the repaint era are not holding up well. Discoloration is common, even on still carded or packaged figures. This is likely to also occur to the Pulse era figures. Fail Safe will be interesting. His green color is less likely to yellow than, say, the blue color used for Scarlett. But, we'll see how the upper arms hold up as that's the first area we see degradation on the repaint figures from 15 to 20 years ago. But, even Hasbro's flagship Star Wars lines that use similar plastic tend to discolor. It's just the nature of the materials. And, a likely inevitable end for all figures that were made from it.
As 2023 began, I was certain we'd see another 3 3/4" Joe Haslab. The Skystriker performed well. And, the aftermarket malaise was not yet known when Hasbro would have been designing the follow up. But, Hasbro shifted and moved all their resources to the 6" scale. And, it's hard to argue with the results as the Hiss Tank and Dragonfly have both funded without any hint of hesitation. The people who work on the Joe line will better pad their resumes with toys like those than they will with recreations of 40 year old toys in a dying scale. And, the complete and utter failure of the Cobra Mothership also calls into question whether the 3 3/4" collector base could support another Haslab to the tune of 17 thousand units. It sucks that we'll never get an updated Whale, Rattler or Moray to replace the ones rotting away in our basements and attics. And, I don't really get any joy knowing that we did get a plane with no play value.
So, I figured Fail Safes would start out around $70 or more for a carded figure. And, I also expected them to climb to over $100 after a year. That...didn't happen. Now, you can easily buy a carded figure for around $40 shipped. If you can find someone selling it at auction, they'll go for $15-$25...usually near the lower end. After 20 years, we've seen the Toys R Us figures climb to stupidly high prices. But, I doubt Fail Safe will follow that trend. In 20 years, Joe collectors will be mostly retired with many staring down their 70's. Yes, that's right. We're now closer to our 70's than our 20's...even if we feel like our 20's were yesterday and our 70's are light years away. But, 70 year olds won't be buying collectibles for speculative prices. And, let's face it, a lot of us will be dead and gone with our collections tossed away for pennies on the dollar as our kids and grandkids won't want to deal with the incredible hassle of liquidating a collection of crumbling and yellowing toys.
It's still possible that this figure will find some aftermarket life. There was a massive speculator buy in for the Skystriker since a lot of Star Wars fans had some money to spend when the Rancor failed just days before the Skystriker funded. And, that speculative stock is lowering. Slowly, the top figures from the Skystriker set are getting bought up. But, there's still plenty of Fail Safe's out there. And, if there's an event that forces more collectors to liquidate duplicates and unloved items, we'll see a flood of Skystrikers coming into the market once again. But, if you can get a cheap Fail Safe, you should. He's one of the best "new" figures Hasbro has done in the past 25 years. He's not perfect. But, he's good enough. And, these days, that's about the best you can expect from Hasbro's attempts to salvage the legacy of the ARAH style Joes.
I've started to realize as you pointed out, very soon the 3 3/4 line is going to be obsolete as a collectable. As the original kids age into their 50's 60's and 70's as you say, the value of the ARAH line will no doubt plummet. Maybe the Skystriker value is the canary in the coal mine for this. I have already noticed that over half if not more, ebay listings for ARAH go unsold lately. Some of this might be the market being to be corrected since I think some dealers think Covid values still exist, but I also think that people who want the line might have most of what they need at this point. Pair that with the aging of the fans, and younger fans turning more to 6 inch scale, watching the values of 70's and 80s toy lines will be interesting to say the least. There is definitely a value "cliff' coming due to our age, just a matter of when.
ReplyDeleteOriginal poster here...just for clarification I don't collect for the money or as an investment, purely for enjoyment and nostalgia.
ReplyDeleteMan this was a tough post to read. And not because of the figure obviously. The figure looks 'fine' as you said. I liked most of the ARAHC, and I like this figure too. But I don't think I like it enough to buy it for ~$40. I would prefer actual vintage figures for that kind of coin.
ReplyDeleteThis post was rough as it bangs on the head that we are all no longer young. We as a group are not far from becoming the old man with a basement full of trains, if not there already. Too many reminders of our obsolescence lately. Gas engines and two-door cars are being phased out. 'Our' bands are on farewell tours. We now have two Ghostbusters movies without Egon. There are no more Indy movies to be made with Harrison. We are making appointments for colonoscopies instead of getting invited to weddings. I could go on.
I am 46, tail-end of Gen X and am still building my Joe collection slowly and sporadically. I don't have nor do I want everything. But I still collect. I have zero doubt that should something befall me, my wife and daughter will simply call 1-800-GOT-JUNK, clean out my nerd room in one day, and be done with it. I try to keep the horde in check so I am not passing on too big a burden some day.
I collect for my enjoyment, not for investing purposes. The novelty of having the 80s sold back to me for nostalgia has worn off at this point. I have noticed that eBay prices on vintage and even post 2002 Joes are still stupid. I dont think they will fall anytime soon, as supply will only dwindle as collectors continue to hold. Just look at classic muscle cars: well-heeled boomers are the sole reason no one can touch a decent Chevelle/Barracuda/Boss302 or anything of that era for less than 50K. Even 80s cars like IROC and 300Z are starting to command silly prices. When the Joe market does finally collapse, I'll likely be toes up or just too old and sick to care.
A very good write up not just on the figure, the Sky Striker Haslab but also the state of GI Joe collectors and the toy line we love. Over the past year or two in observing the Joe Market plateau at the highest prices we will see it and taking into account the fact that so much of what we are collecting are plastic toys which are not designed for longevity I changed my perspective on how I view the hobby. I have pretty much reached the other end of my ARAH era collecting as I cannot see the wisdom in continuing to purchase plastic that continues to age and get brittle (I have a few remaining figures and items I would like to get to complete my collection). As the other commenters have stated I also only collect because I enjoy it, am not a completist, I have no intention of flipping my collection or parting with it. To me collecting is a hobby, it's cathartic, let's me decompress and makes me happy and connect with the kid I was as a form of escapism.
ReplyDeleteAs for the figure Fail Safe, he certainly fits in better with the 97 and beyond aesthetic but works well enough in my collection. I have long been a fan and advocate of the softer plastics used for o-ring figures post 1994 but while my mind has not changed completely I certainly appreciate the sharper details, molds and paint jobs from the ARAH run and the softer plastic just does not give off that same look and feel when I go through my collection (not to mention the issues with the aging plastic). Back to Fail Safe - I really do like this figure, the drab olive green flight suit and helmet screamed helicopter pilot to me when he was revealed during the Haslab campaign. When I acquired him I made him the pilot of the 2000 Locust and I think he works well in the role.
For the issues with the softer plastic the figures use the actual Sky Striker is made of very nice, hard plastic material when compared to the 2011 Sky Striker. It feels like a more durable version of the original but I do have a gripe with the jet itself - it's loose front landing gear that does not securely stay up which was a QC issue reported as many of us received them last year. I don't regret backing the Haslab but I don't think the Sky Striker was the greatest choice. I still hold out a little hope that another Haslab will feature one of the other iconic vehicles (WHALE would probably have no problem hitting the same marks the HISS/Dragonfly have) but I won't hold my breath. I did think the Super 7 Cobra Mothership was an ambitious cool project but Super 7 probably misread the market in terms of introducing a playset/vehicle that there never was much of a want from the collecting community.
I still do look forward to the Super 7 O-ring offerings, rumored Hasbro Transformer/GI Joe crossovers and the 3 3/4" kickstarters. I have come to embrace and accept them as the probable future to keep the spirit of the ARAH GI Joe of my youth alive. I'd rather purchase new plastic toys to augment my GI Joe collection and tap into my imagination to incorporate them into my Joe verse.
Jesus Christ this took a depressing turn towards the end.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I shouldn't put this as a comment, but: This blog and Attica Gazette can be such downer, whining reads. "We're getting old!" "The plastic is yellowing!" "I didn't make my INVESTMENT back!" "Hasbro doesn't care about us!"... on and on, this and that. How about some positivity? Everyone ages. Yes, old toys break- fix them and get on with it. Or don't. You really sound like you don't enjoy the hobby very much tbh. And feel like time has passed you by. I still get a lot of joy from o-rings. Hell, with Super7, fan-funded lines, factory customs, and 3D printing taking off, the future is SO BRIGHT for the hobby. Get excited.
ReplyDeleteI'm all about the Classified Series, though I still do have quite a few of my vintage Joes from childhood and plenty from collecting in the 2000s and early 2010s, but, yeah, it definitely seems like there's a lot of excitement in the Joe hobby right now. When I see folks really getting down about their collecting, I suggest it might just be time to move on or take a break. Try something different for a bit. If your collection is actively bringing you down or upsetting you, that might be a wake up call to make some changes (not saying that's what you're experiencing, Robot_Sonic).
DeleteOn a positive note, I have quite a few friends who are a bit younger than me (I'm 40, they're in their mid 30s) who sort of missed GI Joe:ARAH originally but who are now getting into it because of the new Skybound series. If that take off like it seems to be doing, that could definitely bring in some new blood.
I don’t necessarily think that this post was negative. It is much more of an all encompassing post discussing many of the aspects of the the figure, the haslab and the realities of collecting. I appreciate the aspects presented that I do not really think about myself - the after market stuff especially fascinates me. I personally do not mind the softer plastic used on the newer o-ring figures but the fact the material ages differently than the ARAH era plastic is again a fascinating point. I suppose it’s all about what we as the audience take from these reviews/write-ups. It doesn’t impact my personal viewpoint of GI Joe but I love reading others opinions.
Deleteyou need to settle down kid. no one is talking about loving hasbro or fuckin investments. can you read. I suggest you go back to the Facebook groups with all the other so interesting people.
Deletelet me guess...yr generation infantile everything must be positive...yr a downer we don't like meaness...
Deleteyeah skystriker box was/is a box of horseshit. much like your comment. these are peoples personal blogs. get it. they are not yours so if you don't like the content, go find happy joy we are all gonna live forever, and with our toys too!, social media sites. they're like crack to dopes like you. grow up.
DeleteGood discussion. I can see some validity to both sides. Nothing wrong with addressing the elephant in the room as far as aging. Only way to face it is head-on and with grace. I have enjoyed this blog for many years. I don't always agree with Mike T's views (he craps on a few figures I like quite a bit) but I always enjoy the articulate writing and especially memories of the significance behind certain figures. As I got into Joe later than most it gives me a nostalgia for a time I just barely missed.
DeleteIt's definitely an interesting point that the Skystriker hasn't jumped much in resell value. Some of the Haslabs have skyrocketed while others definitely haven't. Maybe this one just managed to really get into the hands of most everyone who wanted it? 1/18th scale collectors due tend to be older and pretty involved with what's going on, so maybe most folks who wanted it knew about it and could afford to snag it right away through the Haslab. Then again, the point about speculators jumping in and ordering multiples to flip probably has some validity.
DeleteIn a tangentially related note, I wonder what Super7's take away from the Cobra Ship will be? They've had successful funding for all of their other large scale projects, right?
Comments like this crack me up. They're so hypocritically negative with any sense of self awareness about it.
DeleteIf a minorly critical blog post about your hobby gets you this worked up, maybe you need a break from reading blogs.
Some of us want more than just slobbering, toxically positive fan boy takes.
Oh, and thanks for the rec. Never heard of Attica Gazette but it looks great!
DeleteThe Attica Gazette is one I just came across last week. It’s a great site. Recommend The Viper Pit as well. The long form blogs about GI Joe have become my favorite thing about the Joe community. They harken back to the early 2000s Joe community before social media and YouTube kind of hijacked everything.
DeleteDan, bc, anonymous... You read into my comment WAY too much lol. I wasn't worked up- depressing reads / negativity is a trend I've been noticing for a while here and pointed out that it sucks. But go ahead and keep assuming I'm some positive toxic gen-z fanboy.
DeleteHonestly you sound more worked up than I ever did. Joe fans have to be some of the stupidest people on this planet.
Original poster again...I don't think that pointing out facts about aging is being negative, the truth is no one beats time. It just is, not negative or positive. I will just be interested how collecting older lines changes as the original kids age. As far as not always agreeing with the takes on this blog, that's kind of the point. Its his blog, his opinions. I don't always agree, but I don't let them affect my mood either lol!
ReplyDeletePersonally I collect for the love of the hobby and Joe in general. I don't think looking at toys as a real investment makes sense unless you own a store or are a dealer; counting on retiring on a collection is a silly notion. I simply look at values like the Skystriker resell, as an overall barometer of the state of the hobby in general. Clearly it shows that those who wanted it bought it at the time, so there are very few for the dealers to sell it too. I don't think its a damning of the product, anyone who's been around the last 20 years had to know what the figures were going to be like. Hasbro is going to Hasbro, it is what it is.
Failsafe is fine, he's just very generic looking and like most post '85 Joes seems to have little to no unique personailty unlike the early Joes. Talk about Greenshirts.....
ReplyDeleteWhat depresses me is that I am now 40. I have some disposable income, but ARAH prices are totally insane. $400 for carded Sky Patrol and Sonic FIghters? Really? Just an FYI that my era is 88-94 and most prices are off the wall - Mega Marines, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Star Brigade. 1994 Star Brigade figs are not worth $300. They were all over the place for years.
ReplyDeleteAgreed on the prices being crazy. Are you strictly a carded collector?
DeleteNo, 90% loose. Although I have been eyeing carded 1992-94 Joes recently (not financially responsible). I was filling some gaps in my collection recently and I paid $54 for Sky Patrol Drop Zone. For some reason I never found him as a kid. I was just shocked that a carded Drop Zone was about $339.
Deleteall the people selling their haslab figures dirt cheap are gonna regret. they will go up in value. there wasnt very many made. ive been buying up the cobra troopers while they are cheap. ive gotten a few for less than $30 already. and the color scheme is awesome.
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